Martin ‘Joey’ Schulze

is still aggressively writing against Dunc tank.

I don’t agree with his posting at all. I don’t think dunc-tank is doing any serious damage to the project; so far all the damage comes from a few people (especially you, Joey), that play some “politics” game here I don’t really get or like. And just count the number of people who have expressed discomfort with your postings. I remember having seen the word “blackmail” attributed to some of your mails.

[Update: and it also sucks that people have to point out that they didn’t reduce their Debian involvement because of Dunc tank, but just because they don’t use the software anymore, have too little time or are annoyed by your behaviour; otherwise you’d probably cite them as dunc-tank enemies.]

I’m also convinced that your assessment - that only the release in december counts - is false. You know, the people working on Debian were NOT replaced by the announcement of the dunc tank experiment.

We still want to make Debian the “Universal OS”, and are still dedicated to the projects goals.

But some of us still remember the bad press debian has been receiving because of the delays with sarge release, and the users we have lost back then because of pushing back the release again and again. You know, many people still act like “yeah, debian releases in december, sure, when hell freezes over”.

One of Debians strengths was security support. But security support doesn’t work as well, when half of the software you’re running are unsupported backports. If Debian wants to remain a good base choice (i.e. universal OS), it needs to provide a reliable combination of secure but not too-out-of-date software to become useless again. Therefore I consider frequent-enough, somewhat-on-time releases important for the universal OS idea; this will also cut down on our work (at least for those doing backports, too, since we need to do less of them). It’s not a primary goal, but a consequence of the well-established goals.

Now why I accept the experiment of ‘hiring’ the release managers for one month full-time: I’ve always had the impression that donating to Debian is somewhat pointless, because I don’t see any concrete results, or where the money is going. To me it always felt like it ends up in an unused saving account with the SPI treasurer, until someone finds a way to spend it. Here the money is used in a transparent way, on well-respected people and with a very concrete result. And remember, it’s an experiment. It’s a one time thing so far.

Oh, and to actually counter all your blah-blah: I’ve actually recently increased my Debian efforts again. Because of the dunc-tank thing, and despite your end-of-the-world-claims. Namely because it gave me back the feeling that someone actually cares about making Debian useful to everbody (and not just us freaks running unstable and experimental). That there is some interest in getting the new release out of the door on time, of supporting our users out there such as the city of munich (which is also running backports AFAIK). To me Debian is still mostly about the users, not about the ego of developers. Be a nice guy and do a good job, and you’ll get lots of thank yous, a couple of friends, a couple of patches, some free beer or tshirts in return. Does this corrupt as well, getting a free coke? Yes, I got a free Jolt coke four years ago at Systems. Does this make you demotivated, that you didn’t get one, too?